Matthew Pejkovic interviews Stuart Beattie and Rachel Hurd-Wood
Matthew Pejkovic from Matt’s Movie Reviews recently interviewed Stuart Beattie and Rachel Hurd-Wood and was kind enough to let me post the transcripts here. Be sure to check out his site!
Interview with Stuart Beattie
What I love about the film is that it utilises the behind the scenes talent and experience of our industry, but does so on an Australian story with a mostly Australian cast, and an action movie no less. Why doesn’t our industry, which made Max Max, dabble in action and genre filmmaking more often?
I think it’s the money. You’ve got to remember that Mad Max was shot on a shoestring because the story allowed for that. You have a post apocalyptic world, the desert, a couple of cars, and that’s all you need. A film like this is more inside civilisation, so you need streets, and an invading army, and all of that kind of thing. So it was a story that demanded a certain budget. There was no way to pull it off any other way.
I think we don’t see many stories like that because they don’t exist. There are a very few properties like Tomorrow, When the War Began that are Australian, and the money is not there to make those films. Perhaps someone could write a big, blockbuster, epic, Australian story, and make people go “Whoa, we love it!” But we don’t have the money to make it (laughs).
So there’s little encouragement in that sense. No one wants to spend all their time writing scripts that will never get made, so we need an industry where there is money to make these kinds of films, to encourage people who want to write them and want to create them.
What was about this project that made you want to do direct for the first time?
I always wanted to direct, which is why I got into writing was to learn how to direct. It was just getting to a point where I felt like I was ready, that I could handle that job. And also just looking for the right thing.
What I was looking for had to be Australian, it had to be commercial and fun, and it had to be a great story with terrific characters. On top of that it also had this title that everybody knew, which was something that you do in Hollywood all the time. In fact that’s all you do, you buy the viewfinder title and you make the viewfinder movie.
So the fact that Tomorrow… is a recognised title in this country was just icing on the cake. But I loved the story, I loved the characters, I thought that it would make a great movie, it was offered to me and so I pounced on it.
You’ve written screenplays for many great filmmakers. Did you ever seek their advice over the years?
Oh, God yeah! First thing I did was call every director I knew (laughs). I think I must have called about 40 or 50 different directors, real world class guys who were really kind and returned emails, or phone calls, or whatever it was. Just gave me all of these great little hints that you would never get anywhere else, from no film school, no teacher…you just get it from guys who have been working for 30 years on sets. Just great stuff.
Was there a consistent piece of advice?
A lot of them said wear comfortable shoes (laughs). That was a big one. Some were completely contradictory, like “Don’t let the actors veer off the lines”, or “Make sure the actors go off their lines” (laughs). No rehearsals, must rehearse…so you’ve got to deal with it your own way. It’s always good just to kind of hear from these guy, and get their wisdom. Because it’s sitting there and you’re a fool not to take advantage of it.
Many people hold these characters near to their hearts, so casting was essential. Did you have specific actors in mind, or was it just a thing where you opened the floodgates?
It was opening the floodgates. I didn’t really know any young Australian actors, having lived in Hollywood for the last 20 years. The first thing I did was to just go on the internet and find photos of young Australians, whether they were actors or models, I didn’t know who they are but they were just photos.
I would find a photo and would say in my mind “That’s how the character should look!” So that was the starting point. I did that for all 8 characters, and then that kind of let my casting director know what I was looking for, and then we went from there.
Funnily enough the picture that I found of Ellie was Caitlin Stasey. I didn’t know who she was or if she was an actor, or anything. But it turned out that she was an actor, an amazing actor, she was available, and we got her.
I didn’t have any preconceptions in the sense of who was on Home & Away, or anything like that. I was just looking at a very clean slate. Here are the actors, who do I think best fit these roles, and searched until we found them.
The film hits some interesting themes, the most interesting the notion of Just War. Is that something which resonated with you in the novel?
Yeah! It’s that whole thing of what do you do when your homes are taken away from you? When is it ok to kill? When is it not? That’s a big part of the book and to me that’s interesting stuff to talk about. Is it ok to kill? Is it not ok to kill? When do we sanction it? When do we not? There are so many double standards out there in the world, so all that stuff is pretty interesting to me. The value of human life is very interesting to me.
So it was important that we kept that from the book, and that the characters did put a lot of value in every human life, even the ones they took, and that they struggled with this notion. Should we be doing this? It’s not just that concrete that we are going to go to war. There is a great, sound, rationale argument for just hiding. There is a great, rational argument for just giving yourself up. So what are we gonna do? What’s the answer? We don’t know, we’re teenagers. We’re barely trusted to hand out chalk in school (laughs). How are we suddenly going to weigh these monumental decisions?
They deal with it as a group, which is great. They discuss, it, and they come up with this thing that they all agree on. They see if they can do this one thing, and then it becomes another thing, and another thing. It just all felt very real to me. It was like that in the books, and I wanted to keep that.
The film and the novel make a notion to Australia’s own history, with our nation as it stands the product of an invasion of sorts. Did you find the situations these characters in to be ironic, or was a sort of poetic justice?
Yeah, well it’s not really mentioned in the book. But I felt it was important to bring it up in the film that this was the second invasion of Australia (laughs). That’s why that scene in the alley, where Ellie spots this mural on the wall, I didn’t want to make the film about that. It’s obviously a whole different film about a whole different subject. But I did want to acknowledge it and say that, yes I’m aware of that, and I wanted to tip off our characters that the shoe is on the other foot now, and maybe they can see their own history in a whole new light now.
Once we’re done killing everyone (laughs), and fighting this war maybe that is something we should look at, because you’re definitely right that it is far and wide an ironic thing.
The novel doesn’t reveal the identity of the invading army, yet in the film it seems it is the Chinese. Why was that decision made and did you fear backlash from community leaders?
Well, they’re not from China. We never say where they’re from. It was a very conscious decision not to say who it is, because the story is not about who’s invading Australia, it’s about these characters and what happens to them when their homes are taken away from them.
I didn’t want to make want to make a film which was like “Look out! They’re coming.” I didn’t want to make a scare film, kind of thing. I wanted to make an emotionally gripping, rollercoaster, fun film. So I just wanted to stay out of the politics as much as possible. I didn’t want to give ammunition to anyone with their own political out there to latch on to us. So it just seemed like the smart thing to do. John did it, and he had good reasons for it, so I thought that was smart and let’s just keep it like that.
So the vaguely Asian thing was what we ended up with. We were very careful it wasn’t just any one nation. And the language they speak is all gobilly-goo, different languages played backwards and everything. We worked very hard to make sure it’s not racists, and it’s not saying…they’re just the antagonistic force, which should provide the drama in the story. Sort of like the shark in Jaws, or the aliens in Independence Day. They’re the things out there that are creating the situation which these characters end up caught up in. It’s about the characters first.
That chase sequence was a corker! How do you prepare an action shoot? Do you storyboard?
Yeah. Especially that sequence…the truck chase sequence was written, then it was storyboarded, then my assistant (Rowan Maher) cut together the storyboards into an actual little movie, that we would put music to, dialogue to, and everything. From that we did a CGI pre-visualisation, so we stored it in the computer and did some real time. So it goes form words, to pictures, to pictures cut together, to moving pictures, and then the film.
It’s a very, very detailed process, but we knew exactly the shots we were going after, so that when we got there on set, and time is money, we knew exactly what we were doing and we figured it all out. My second unit director (Ian Thorburn), who is a fantastic guy, did an incredible job, and he went out there with all of this information in front of him, went and got it all, and got even more stuff with the tricks he had up his sleeve.
So it’s a matter of planning and hiring good people. We had an excellent crew.
What directorial gigs do you have coming up?
Well, I would like to take some of my scripts that have been there for a while and make them, now that I can actually make them as a filmmaker. So I would like to make some of those. I love the filmmaking process. I love directing. So I’m reading screenplays, I’m open to directing other peoples screenplays if it comes along. Or I would love to do sequels to this if people come and it makes enough money that they let us do more of these.
Basically I just want to keep directing. If it’s directing my films, great.
The ending of Tomorrow… leaves open the possibility of a sequel. So is there something you have already outlined in your head with where the film could go?
Yeah, vaguely. You can’t help but wondering, but the second you start really writing down things, or investing your soul, you’re just setting yourself up for disappointment. Because the question of sequels is completely out of my hands, out of the company’s hands, and completely in the hands of the audience, whether they come or not.
If they tell me tomorrow that we can I would get right into it, because we all had such a good time, and I would love to see where all these characters would go. They have gone some pretty interesting directions in the other books.
It would be cool if we did have sequels, because I cannot think of an Australian franchise outside of Mad Max.
It’s been a while (laughs). Mad Max was certainly the last good action franchise we had.
Maybe the only franchise we had…
I don’t know…we had the Crocodile Dundee franchise…but yeah, I think you’re right! (laughs) That sounds scary! Well, I would love to change that.
Interview with Rachel Hurd-Wood
Was the book a part of your life growing up?
It was, but by chance because of I was in Australia doing Peter Pan when I was 12, so I read the books because they were a part of tutoring. But I’m not sure if I would have come across them otherwise. So I was very fortunate to know of them through that.
The last time you shot a film in Australia was in 2003 for Peter Pan. What differences have you noticed in the 7 years since you were last here?
That’s a very academic question for someone who knows nothing about the film industry (laughs). I believe there may have been, but I really couldn’t answer that question with any sort of authority, because it’s not something I have kept track of. As an actor I am just hopeless when it comes to these things.
I never know about budgets in films, or anything other than my bit (laughs). I’ll leave the academics to people who know what they are talking about.
Your role was physically demanding. What preparation did you and the cast undergo before filming?
Well, I had to learn the accent for one. We did dirt bike training. We did personal training sessions together, so we were all fit and stuff, so we could run around and all that. And a lot of character work with Stuart (Beattie, writer/director) and the other cast members. Team bonding stuff, paintballing, climbing the Sydney Harbour Bridge, that sort of stuff.
Is acting in an action movie something you enjoyed?
More so than I expected. I’m not built for sport, but I really do enjoy the adrenaline of doing all of that kind of stuff. I love riding on a dirt bike. That was so cool! So I really did enjoy that side of it. Before Tomorrow… I’ve only ever done period things we’re I’m in a corset, playing the victim. So it was quite good to do something more kick arse.
Did it feel nice to hang out with a bunch of actors your age, shooting an action film in Sydney?
That was what made the experience, becoming really good friends with the gang. It was amazing to have such great friends off set as well, because for me personally with what I’ve done and being young as well, it has always been the adults who I worked with, and then you go back to your family.
With this I was out here on my own, and my social group were the people I was working with. So it was fortunate for me that they were my age, and amazingly cool people.
Did it appeal to you that while these characters are at war, they are still teenagers and have to deal with the things that comes with adolescence, such as dating etc?
Absolutely, and I think that is what’s really endearing. You’ve got conversations going on about boys between the girls, and all of that teen stuff. Meanwhile there are guns and trucks and all of that kinda stuff around. I think that is what makes it really enjoyable, and places a really wonderful aspect on the film. They keep the balance really good, I think.
The film hits some interesting themes, the most interesting the notion of Just War. Is that something which resonated with you in the novel?
Absolutely. The dilemma of what would you do in that situation…you’ve got that scene where they are sitting around and discussing “Are you in?” Each character has a bit to say about it, and I think it’s interesting in the different viewpoints. You have Fiona saying that she is worried that she’s gonna pack under pressure. Robin saying she doesn’t know whether this is a just cause…you’ve got a bunch of different viewpoints because they are different characters.
It does question the reader, or the viewer of the film what would they do in that particular situation.
And what would you do?
I think that you could never say unless you are faced with the actual situation, but I would like to think that I would react the same as Corrie, and do everything that I could do to defend myself, my friends, and my country.
One thing which the movie points to is the over reliance today’s society, especially the youth, have with technology. Do you believe we have too much of a reliance on the internet and cell phones?
Absolutely. Everyone is obsessed with their phones, iPhones, BlackBerry…I try not to be. When I’m in London I feel a lot more frantic than when I go to the country. My parents live in the country. My uncle lives in Wales, a quite remote place. So I love leaving my phone in his house and go off for the day and not worry about it.
At the same time you’ve got to strike a balance. I need to be contacted through my BlackBerry by email or by phone, because if my agent needs to tell me about my audition tomorrow, it’s my benefit that I have my phone with me. At the same time it is important not to have my life dictated by all your gadgets and all your bits and bobs.
That’s why I don’t have an iPhone. I don’t want all these things, I don’t need all these things. If I want to take a picture I will get my camera, you know (laughs). Although having said that I do have my ipod.

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